UPDATE Sept 15 2008:
http://directmag.com/magill/0909-email-appenders/index1.html
anyone else read this and say DUH? how can he be surprised at the bounce rate when he bought a list? I don't like purchased list as some of you already know. Why?
- You don't have permission
- You don't have permission
- You don't have permission
- You don't know what your going to get. spamtraps, stale email addresses, un-nurtured contacts who won't remember the list services since they just gave up their email address for a free Ipod
- I don't find that list services care or nurture their lists. They just keep adding to them and not removing from them. They tend to think Quantity over Quality.
I do however like the points Bob makes when it comes to saying list services should do a better job of maintaining their lists if they are going to be in the business or promote their business as generating good leads.
- List services should create nurturing programs to make sure people who do give up their email addresses for sell are still interested over time
- List services should also ask purchasers to notify them of opt-out's and complainers so they can update their master list
Folks, if you need email address... don't be like Bob...be willing to go to companies like Eloqua who can help nurture potential prospects into real leads and then customers. I don't want to turn this blog into a pitch for my company or Swiftpage, but there are companies and services out there that WILL help you create a platform for executing, automating and measuring highly effective B2B marketing programs if you just listen to them. These marketing automation companies are in the business to help generate QUALITY leads for your sales and marketing teams.
I find it odd sometimes that we are to quick to take the easy route these days by buying lists. We never take the time to listen to prospects needs, watch their digital body language when they visit our websites, and interact with them in a permission based way. Where once a shrug or a raised eyebrow gave our sales people clues to
buyer intent, today’s online activities - website visits, white paper
downloads, and email opens or forwards reveal a prospect’s willingness
to buy and wants to interact with us.
Seriously Bob, good luck with this. I hope you have a good outcome.
http://directmag.com/magill/0805-list-purchase-nightmare/
Bob Richards claims he’s been ripped off.
He recently paid a little more than $14,000 to
have New York-based EmailAppenders for a purportedly permission-based
list of over 100,000 e-mail addresses.
But when he mailed the names, 85,000 bounced,
resulting in a server jam-up, said Richards, the marketing director of
Javelin Marketing. And his company was fired as a client by its e-mail
service provider.
For its part, EmailAppenders is claiming that
the file was fine and that it was probably Richards’ inexperience with
large e-mail campaigns that caused the failure.
Richards wants a refund. EmailAppenders isn’t paying.
So Richards decided to go public. He recently
published a press release detailing his complaint about EmailAppenders
and likening many data sellers to drug pushers.
“Drug users go to the pusher for their drug
and the pushers keep the streets plentiful with drugs,” said the
release. “Similarly, marketers go to list services for their drug and
many of these list services sell tainted goods. And it’s these list
services that fuel the spread of spam.”
He has also posted a complaint about
EmailAppenders on RipOffReport.com. Richards said he has also reported
EmailAppenders to the New York State Attorney General and the Federal
Trade Commission.
According to Richards, EmailAppenders in June
delivered a list of 135,000 addresses purported to be those of
financial advisors, his company’s target audience.
When he received the list, he said, it was
immediately apparent that 5,000 or 6,000 records were off target, so he
deleted them by hand.
Once the list was whittled down to about
118,000 addresses, “it still fell within the parameters I had set,” he
said, so he paid for it and went ahead with a weekend mailing.
When Richards reported to work on Monday, he
said, his e-mail box was filled with 85,000 bounces, and the company’s
server was locked up.
“I had to delete my e-mail box just to free up our server,” he said.
Then, according to Richards, his e-mail service provider Swiftpage terminated Javelin Marketing’s account.
“They rightfully fired us as a client for spamming,” he said.
Dan Ogdon, marketing director for Swiftpage, confirmed the company terminated Javelin’s account for spamming.
“We do that all the time,” he said. “We’ve got a full-time staff dedicated to making sure our clients don’t spam.”
Ogdon added that Swiftpage—an e-mail marketing
software-on-demand provider to small businesses—has a system in place
that raises red flags whenever a mailing sent by one of its clients
shows a high percentage of bounces and when a client mails to a large
number of new addresses. To Swiftpage, these are signs of spamming.
Ogdon said Javelin’s campaign triggered at
least the too-many-new-addresses warning on Swiftpage’s system. As a
result, he said, he has no idea of the quality of the file
EmailAppenders supplied to Javelin.
“Our policy is you must have explicit permission,” Ogdon said. “That’s not Can Spam, but it is our policy.”
Ian Cooper, president of new business
development for EmailAppenders, said there are many possible reasons
besides list quality that may have jammed up Javelin’s e-mail campaign.
“There are all kinds of factors that affect e-mail deliverability,” he said. “Having a perfect list does not ensure success.”
He added: “This is a client who does not have
internal know-how on doing large campaigns and is not willing to let us
do it for him.”
He also said that when his company mailed the same list, more than 78,000 messages reached their mark.
Cooper added that this was the second project
EmailAppenders did for Javelin. “The first was a much smaller project
of around 10,000 addresses and they were very happy with it. It went
very well, so they came back,” he said.
He said he has offered to do a permission
mailing to the list on Javelin’s behalf and provide a refund for all
the hard bounces.
However, Cooper said, he hesitates to give
Javelin a full refund because Javelin has taken possession of the list
and there’s no way to undo that action.
“In the digital world, you’ve already got the
goods,” he said. “It’s like someone buying an ad and then saying: ‘I
didn’t get any business; I want my money back.’”
EmailAppenders claims its e-mail addresses are all permission based and verified by phone and e-mail multiple times per year.
“We want our clients to succeed,” Cooper said.
In an e-mail to Richards obtained by this
newsletter, Cooper offered a $10,000 refund if Richards would rescind
his complaints from the FTC and RipOffReport, among other things.
As of deadline, Richards said he would accept
the offer if EmailAppenders removes all the hard and soft bounces and
non-financial advisors from the list it supplied, and upon subsequently
mailing it, Javelin gets a 90% or better delivery rate
-Dennis
Eloqua
Don't Just Send, Deliver!